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#15: Melissa Pagan (she/her) is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (LMFT) with a master’s degree in Marriage and Family Therapy. She specializes in a range of therapeutic approaches, with an expertise in behavioral health, PTSD care, and treating substance use disorders alongside co-occurring mental health conditions.

Having witnessed firsthand the vital role of family support and the need for family work in the therapeutic processes, Melissa has devoted her career to helping families navigate the complexities of addiction recovery. In this episode, we dive into Melissa's personal journey as a supporter to her loved ones. We discuss her approach to teaching kids vulnerability, the importance of setting and maintaining boundaries, and how she takes care of herself so she can show up fully for others.

Visit https://mountainside.com/ to learn more and check out their resources page at https://mountainside.com/resources.

Find Mountainside Treatment on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/company/mountainsidetreatment/ and Instagram at @mountainside.

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If you or a loved one is experiencing a mental health or substance use related crisis, the following resources can provide immediate help.*

If you are experiencing a medical or mental health emergency, please dial 911.

- Dial 988 for the SAMSHA Suicide & Crisis Lifeline. Available 24/7
- Text “HOME” to 741-741 for the NAMI Crisis Text Line. Available 24/7.
- Dial 1-800-622-2255 to connect with a nearby treatment center & community resources through the NCADD Hope Line. Available 24/7.
- Call or text 1-844-326-5400 for The GSCA CARES Warm Line. Answered by Certified Addiction Recovery Empowerment Specialists with lived experience of Substance Use Recovery. Available any day of the year, 8:30am-11pm EST

This resource was shared by Tiffany: If you are a woman in need of support in the New Hampshire or Massachusetts area, Jasmine Grace is an organization that may be able to help. You can learn more at their website: https://www.jasminegrace.org/

*Note: The resources listed are provided for informational purposes only. This list is not comprehensive and does not constitute an endorsement from The Phoenix
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#14: This week Liz and Bryce The Third are joined by Rob Baumgartner (he/him), a long-time team member, volunteer, and staff member with The Phoenix. Rob first joined The Phoenix in 2007, when the newly-formed organization had about 160 members. Today, he serves as the Regional Manager for the Mountains & Plains states.

For Rob, his climbing journey and recovery journey are deeply intertwined. In both, people play an essential role — whether it's challenging ourselves to take on what feels unachievable, cultivating trust with ourselves and our partners, or empowering others to choose the right path for them. Rob shares how these two paths are intrinsically linked, emphasizing the power of choice, community, and the importance of supporting others. Tune into the episode to learn more about Rob, as we discuss his recovery journey and more.

Check out Season 1 Episode 12 with Billy & Liz and hear from the perspective of a supporter: https://open.spotify.com/episode/33WPOCQ4jSofuWqELfRWPC?si=P0glXv7MR9euKt3Kmsgqsg.

Check out the limited holiday collection at ThePhoenix.org/shop.

Click here to join the Rise Recover Live Podcast Space to keep up with all things Podcast: https://links.thephoenix.org/uy4urLJKjNb.

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If you or a loved one is experiencing a mental health or substance use related crisis, the following resources can provide immediate help.*

If you are experiencing a medical or mental health emergency, please dial 911.

- Dial 988 for the SAMSHA Suicide & Crisis Lifeline. Available 24/7
- Text “HOME” to 741-741 for the NAMI Crisis Text Line. Available 24/7.
- Dial 1-800-622-2255 to connect with a nearby treatment center & community resources through the NCADD Hope Line. Available 24/7.
- Call or text 1-844-326-5400 for The GSCA CARES Warm Line. Answered by Certified Addiction Recovery Empowerment Specialists with lived experience of Substance Use Recovery. Available any day of the year, 8:30am-11pm EST

This resource was shared by Tiffany: If you are a woman in need of support in the New Hampshire or Massachusetts area, Jasmine Grace is an organization that may be able to help. You can learn more at their website: https://www.jasminegrace.org/

*Note: The resources listed are provided for informational purposes only. This list is not comprehensive and does not constitute

Join the Phoenix community & sign up for classes with a single click by downloading The Phoenix App! In the app, you can connect with Liz, Bryce and other listeners in The Rise Recover Live Podcast Group. Let us know what you thought about today's episode, and what you'd like to hear in future shows! We can't wait to chat with you there.

Learn more about The Phoenix, sign up for classes, or become a volunteer at https://thephoenix.org/ .

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#13: This week, Liz and Bryce The Third reflect on the evolution of their relationships with the holidays and check in on how they're both feeling this season.

For Liz, this holiday season feels different from years past—stirring up both joy and grief, and reminding her that recovery is an ongoing, non-linear journey. While intense feelings and memories have surfaced, she’s learning to hold both the joy and the grief, allowing herself to experience them safely and work through them.

Bryce shares how his relationship with holidays has shifted through his own recovery, and how he's reached a place where he shows up for celebrations how he wants to. Through cultivating a relationship with himself, he's learned how to navigate these big holidays, which in turn strengthened his relationships with his friends and family.

Tune in to hear the conversation between Bryce The Third and Liz. And a reminder from your hosts this holiday season: your feelings are valid, we relate to you, and we are so glad you're here.

Check out Bryce's music on Bandcamp: https://brycethethird.bandcamp.com/music. You can also learn more at https://www.brycethethird.com/music.

Check out the limited holiday collection at ThePhoenix.org/shop.

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If you or a loved one is experiencing a mental health or substance use related crisis, the following resources can provide immediate help.*

If you are experiencing a medical or mental health emergency, please dial 911.

- Dial 988 for the SAMSHA Suicide & Crisis Lifeline. Available 24/7
- Text “HOME” to 741-741 for the NAMI Crisis Text Line. Available 24/7.
- Dial 1-800-622-2255 to connect with a nearby treatment center & community resources through the NCADD Hope Line. Available 24/7.
- Call or text 1-844-326-5400 for The GSCA CARES Warm Line. Answered by Certified Addiction Recovery Empowerment Specialists with lived experience of Substance Use Recovery. Available any day of the year, 8:30am-11pm EST

*Note: The resources listed are provided for informational purposes only. This list is not comprehensive and does not constitute an endorsement by The Phoenix

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Learn more about The Phoenix, sign up for classes, or become a volunteer at https://thephoenix.org/ .

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#12: This week, Liz is joined by Kevin Beaufrand (he/him), found of Soberflex and a person in recovery. Kevin shares his story of active addiction and his journey to find sobriety and recovery. From the age of thirteen to thirty-one years old, active addiction took hold of Kevin's life. In May 2019, Kevin decided enough was enough. He made the pivotal decision to change his life and chose to become 'obsessed' with wellness and health. After walking down this path to recovery, Kevin has made it his North Star help other folks do the same.

Check out the conversation to learn more about Kevin as we discuss his story and more, including:

• Confronting the 'saboteur' voice in his mind that tempted him to stray from his sobriety — and how he learned to control and live with it.
• How he found his North Star and the drive to live a holistic healthy lifestyle that sustains his sobriety.
• Why after a year into sobriety he was tempted to try drinking in moderation, and how his community supported him to stay sober.
• The mission behind Soberflex, and the special meaning behind the organization's name.

Join the Soberflex community at https://www.skool.com/soberflexfree/about and check out their YouTube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@soberflexofficial.

Join the Soberflex Space in The Phoenix Mobile App: ‎ https://links.thephoenix.org/N5r0U3NAnPb.

Find Kevin on Instagram at @kevinbeaufrand and on Facebook at Kevin Beaufrand.

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If you or a loved one is experiencing a mental health or substance use related crisis, the following resources can provide immediate help.*

If you are experiencing a medical or mental health emergency, please dial 911.

- Dial 988 for the SAMSHA Suicide & Crisis Lifeline. Available 24/7
- Text “HOME” to 741-741 for the NAMI Crisis Text Line. Available 24/7.
- Dial 1-800-622-2255 to connect with a nearby treatment center & community resources through the NCADD Hope Line. Available 24/7.
- Call or text 1-844-326-5400 for The GSCA CARES Warm Line. Answered by Certified Addiction Recovery Empowerment Specialists with lived experience of Substance Use Recovery. Available any day of the year, 8:30am-11pm EST

*Note: The resources listed are provided for informational purposes only. This list is not comprehensive and does not constitute an endorsement by The Phoenix
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Join the Phoenix community & sign up for classes with a single click by downloading The Phoenix App! In the app, you can connect with Liz, Bryce and other listeners in The Rise Recover Live Podcast Group. Let us know what you thought about today's episode, and what you'd like to hear in future shows! We can't wait to chat with you there.

Learn more about The Phoenix, sign up for classes, or become a volunteer at https://thephoenix.org/ .

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#11: This week, Liz and Bryce The Third are joined by David Patton, PhD, Associate Professor of Criminology at the University of Derby's Social, Cultural and Legal Research Centre. His work concentrates on amplifying the often-marginalized voices of folks in recovery, particularly in academic settings. At New Central Media, his mission is to challenge traditional knowledge structures, advocating that lived experience is as valid as, or more than, academic knowledge, particularly in substance use disorder and recovery.

Tune into the episode to hear more from Dr Patton, including:

• Why he founded New Central Media and why he emphasizes that stories are knowledge.
• How societal-imposed narratives about his background and upbringing impacted his identity and aspirations, and how he shed these notions.
• The fateful daydream he had at age 13 during summer holiday that set him on a new path.

Check our Dr Patton's website at drdavidpatton.co.uk.

To learn more about New Central Media, visit their webpage: https://www.drdavidpatton.co.uk/new-central-media.

Follow Dr Patton on X at @drdavidpatton and follow him on Instagram @drdavidpatton

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If you or a loved one is experiencing a mental health or substance use related crisis, the following resources can provide immediate help.*

If you are experiencing a medical or mental health emergency, please dial 911.

- Dial 988 for the SAMSHA Suicide & Crisis Lifeline. Available 24/7
- Text “HOME” to 741-741 for the NAMI Crisis Text Line. Available 24/7.
- Dial 1-800-622-2255 to connect with a nearby treatment center & community resources through the NCADD Hope Line. Available 24/7.
- Call or text 1-844-326-5400 for The GSCA CARES Warm Line. Answered by Certified Addiction Recovery Empowerment Specialists with lived experience of Substance Use Recovery. Available any day of the year, 8:30am-11pm EST

This resource was shared by Tiffany: If you are a woman in need of support in the New Hampshire or Massachusetts area, Jasmine Grace is an organization that may be able to help. You can learn more at their website: https://www.jasminegrace.org/

*Note: The resources listed are provided for informational purposes only. This list is not comprehensive and does not constitute an endorsement by The Phoenix

Join the Phoenix community & sign up for classes with a single click by downloading The Phoenix App! In the app, you can connect with Liz, Bryce and other listeners in The Rise Recover Live Podcast Group. Let us know what you thought about today's episode, and what you'd like to hear in future shows! We can't wait to chat with you there.

Learn more about The Phoenix, sign up for classes, or become a volunteer at https://thephoenix.org/ .

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#10: This week Liz and Bryce The Third are joined by Jesse Carrajat (he/him), Host of the Sober Strength podcast and Founder of Altum Fitness. Jesse opens up about his own recovery, the wisdom he's learned throughout the journey, and how he redefines sobriety. He discusses his acceptance of life's unpredictability and how he has learned to intentionally make space to sit and reflect.

Tune in to the episode as we delve into Jesse's story, his mission to support fellow veterans, and how he's working to reduce the stigma surrounding mental heath challenges in the veteran community.

Check out Altum Fitness at www.altumfitness.com.

Listen to the Sober Strength Podcast at https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sober-strength/id1720379887 and follow them on Instagram @soberstrengthpodcast.

Check out episode #104 with Brian Sims, the Founder & National Director of Project Rebirth: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0T5NxiXJHDn7gU2JkkjgjM?si=WrWYWoavSzy1I-L2jnpSGA.

To learn more about Project Rebirth, visit their space in the Phoenix Mobile App ‎at https://links.thephoenix.org/e179CEyo0Ob ‎ and check out their Instagram @_projectrebirth_

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If you or a loved one is experiencing a mental health or substance use related crisis, the following resources can provide immediate help.

If you are experiencing a medical or mental health emergency, please dial 911.

- Dial 988 for the SAMSHA Suicide & Crisis Lifeline. Available 24/7
- Text “HOME” to 741-741 for the NAMI Crisis Text Line. Available 24/7.
- Dial 1-800-622-2255 to connect with a nearby treatment center & community resources through the NCADD Hope Line. Available 24/7.
- Call or text 1-844-326-5400 for The GSCA CARES Warm Line. Answered by Certified Addiction Recovery Empowerment Specialists with lived experience of Substance Use Recovery. Available any day of the year, 8:30am-11pm EST

*Note: The resources listed are provided for informational purposes only. This list is not comprehensive and does not constitute an endorsement by The Phoenix

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Join the Phoenix community & sign up for classes with a single click by downloading The Phoenix App! In the app, you can connect with Liz, Bryce and other listeners in The Rise Recover Live Podcast Group. Let us know what you thought about today's episode, and what you'd like to hear in future shows! We can't wait to chat with you there.

Learn more about The Phoenix, sign up for classes, or become a volunteer at https://thephoenix.org/ .

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#9: This week on Rise Recover Live, Liz and Bryce The Third team up for a candid and thought-provoking episode about navigating life’s seasons, embracing intentional living, and mastering the art of giving yourself grace.

Liz opens up about her journey of breaking free from society’s timelines. After years of struggling with the pressure to hit certain milestones, she’s entered a new chapter in her 40s where she’s discovered the freedom of trusting her own path in recovery.

Bryce shares how recovery redefined his view of time and growth. Over the past decade, he’s learned to turn life’s mistakes into powerful lessons, embracing the idea that every experience—good or bad—is a chance to grow.

This is more than just a conversation—it’s an invitation to reflect, live fully, and let go of the “shoulds” that hold you back. Tune in and then join the conversation in the Phoenix Mobile App’s Podcast Space to share what resonates most with you!

Click here to join the Rise Recover Live Podcast Space to keep up with all things Podcast: https://links.thephoenix.org/uy4urLJKjNb ‎

Check out the limited holiday collection at ThePhoenix.org/shop
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If you or a loved one is experiencing a mental health or substance use related crisis, the following resources can provide immediate help.*

If you are experiencing a medical or mental health emergency, please dial 911.

- Dial 988 for the SAMSHA Suicide & Crisis Lifeline. Available 24/7
- Text “HOME” to 741-741 for the NAMI Crisis Text Line. Available 24/7.
- Dial 1-800-622-2255 to connect with a nearby treatment center & community resources through the NCADD Hope Line. Available 24/7.
- Call or text 1-844-326-5400 for The GSCA CARES Warm Line. Answered by Certified Addiction Recovery Empowerment Specialists with lived experience of Substance Use Recovery. Available any day of the year, 8:30am-11pm EST

This resource was shared by Tiffany: If you are a woman in need of support in the New Hampshire or Massachusetts area, Jasmine Grace is an organization that may be able to help. You can learn more at their website: https://www.jasminegrace.org/

*Note: The resources listed are provided for informational purposes only. This list is not comprehensive and does not constitute an endorsement by The Phoenix

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Join the Phoenix community & sign up for classes with a single click by downloading The Phoenix App! In the app, you can connect with Liz, Bryce and other listeners in The Rise Recover Live Podcast Group. Let us know what you thought about today's episode, and what you'd like to hear in future shows! We can't wait to chat with you there.

Learn more about The Phoenix, sign up for classes, or become a volunteer at https://thephoenix.org/ .

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#8: Josh Lovelace (he/him) is a proud work in progress: whether it’s quitting drinking to be more present for his kids, quelling panic attacks before stepping on stage, or just figuring out what he believes after a childhood of being told that there’s only one way to pray. Through all this turmoil, he’s had his touchstones, his shelters: loved ones, friends, and, of course, music.

Born and raised in Knoxville, Tennessee, Josh — who also plays keys and sings in South Carolina rock band NEEDTOBREATHE — grew up making music. He discovered early on in life that writing music was his escape, his therapy, and also his best friend -- the thing that has always been there when he needs it.

Check out the episode with Josh to learn more about his journey with sobriety, his relationship with music & touring, and more!

Visit Josh's official bio page HERE and visit his website at www.joshlovelacemusic.com.

Listen to Josh's new album 'Shelters' here: https://ffm.to/joshlovelace-shelters.

Download his song 'Miracles' here: https://ffm.to/joshlovelace-miracles and check out the video on YouTube: https://youtu.be/ak3qGAQ1M5U?si=K6X0ll3M8HrwMhM0.

Listen to ‘I Stopped Drinking Yesterday’ here: https://ffm.to/joshlovelace-istoppeddrinkingyesterday.

Follow Josh on Instagram @joshlovelace and check out his Facebook page at Josh Lovelace Music.

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If you or a loved one is experiencing a mental health or substance use related crisis, the following resources can provide immediate help.*

If you are experiencing a medical or mental health emergency, please dial 911.

- Dial 988 for the SAMSHA Suicide & Crisis Lifeline. Available 24/7
- Text “HOME” to 741-741 for the NAMI Crisis Text Line. Available 24/7.
- Dial 1-800-622-2255 to connect with a nearby treatment center & community resources through the NCADD Hope Line. Available 24/7.
- Call or text 1-844-326-5400 for The GSCA CARES Warm Line. Answered by Certified Addiction Recovery Empowerment Specialists with lived experience of Substance Use Recovery. Available any day of the year, 8:30am-11pm EST

*Note: The resources listed are provided for informational purposes only. This list is not comprehensive and does not constitute an endorsement by The Phoenix

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Join the Phoenix community & sign up for classes with a single click by downloading The Phoenix App! In the app, you can connect with Liz, Bryce and other listeners in The Rise Recover Live Podcast Group. Let us know what you thought about today's episode, and what you'd like to hear in future shows! We can't wait to chat with you there.

Learn more about The Phoenix, sign up for classes, or become a volunteer at https://thephoenix.org/ .

Find us on Instagram at @riserecoverlive