The directing duo from "Don't Tell Larry" detail their eight-year journey to turn the phrase, "Don't Tell Larry", into a world, a web series, and feature starring Eg Begley., Jr., Dot-Marie Jones, Patty Guggenheim, and Kiel Kennedy. And they chat with Matt and Oren about how their background in unscripted TV prepared them but also left gaps when it came to making the movie they wanted to make, without EPs steering them off-track.

From 300 pitches to turning down lucrative investors, the pandemic, and choosing to shoot in Dallas, the guys explore all the challenges of making an indie film, and adhering to high standards, all while influencers walk away with the fees that filmmakers traditionally could garner from commercial work. And other filmmakers like, Danny Gervitz's film "The Man in the Photo" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6WpwmPe9Ks, "Skinamarink" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APQqilSTxz0 and forgoing distributors and theatrical releases, in favor of going straight to YouTube.

Tell them your thoughts on Instagram @dtlthemovie @gregporper @jschimke

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Matt's Endorsement: "No Hard Feelings" https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15671028/

Oren's Endorsement: Eric Chien, the magician https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWO5-0OYMwc

Greg's Endorsement: The book "Day Trading Attention: How to Actually Build Brand and Sales in the New Social Media World." by Gary Vaynerchuk https://garyvaynerchuk.com/attention/

John's Endorsement: DaVinci Resolve updated their Edit page and it's wonderful. Particularly Source / Record.

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"Chimp Crazy" is HBO's top-watched documentary. But being from the team that made Tiger King is both a plus and a minus. In this episode, writer, producer, and editor Evan Wise https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2188036/ chats with Matt & Oren about the hurdles they faced and the moment he knew this doc would be good. We explore the importance of personal connection, being open to letting the story evolve during filming, and the role of editors as writers and storytellers in documentary films. Evan also discusses how they found their shadow director, why that was important to getting this doc off the ground. Connect with Evan on Instagram @deathedit

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Matt's Endorsement: "Mickey 17" https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12299608/

Oren's Endorsement: Trader Joe's Patio Potato Chips https://www.traderjoes.com/home/products/pdp/patio-potato-chips-062977

Evan's Endorsement: "Diamond Hands" https://www.imdb.com/title/tt17662108/

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Matt and Oren dive into the process of finding the right cinematographer or DP for your project, breaking down key factors like reputation, working methodology, artistry, specialties, reel, website, and even foreign language skills.

They also explore how budget impacts these considerations. Like what shifts when you're working with $50K versus $2 million? From personal tastes to professional appearances, this episode takes a deep dive into the nuances of hiring the right visual storyteller for your film or commercial project.

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Matt's Endorsement: Los Angeles Conservancy's "Last Remaining Seats", a classic vintage film screening series. See "Rope" by Director Alfred Hitchcock at the Academy Museum on original 35mm nitrate.

Oren's Endorsement: Oren shows Matt a video on "Generating Crowds with Gen 4 References" https://youtu.be/erNSx-wOuPs?si=qugAONtGmm6wQxu4. And he mentions Runway https://runwayml.com/ and Veo generative AI video tools. https://gemini.google/overview/video-generation/

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