• Episode 3: Out of our heads and into the streets

  • Nov 28 2024
  • Length: 31 mins
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Episode 3: Out of our heads and into the streets

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  • No plan survives contact with the real world. This episode unpacks the mantra we’ve embraced: relationships before ideas. What led us here? We also catch up with Marten Schievink, Senior Advisor at the Department of Internal Affairs, to hear what drew him to this project.
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